Minutes:
C Thorpe introduced the report to members and ran through the main highlights of the quarter:
C Thorpe said at future meetings, he would like to focus on schemes that have happened in the last month of each quarter to ensure members are as up to date as possible.
Councillor Tindall referred to page 17 of the agenda and the 18
days sick leave for gastroenteritis. He was concerned about the
potential of the infection spreading to other staff members and if
the staff member picked up the illness from the work place or at
home.
C Thorpe said the member of staff concerned had 65 days off sick
due to complications with the infection.
Councillor Tindall asked if it was established where the illness
was picked up.
C Thorpe said it was not medically established where it was picked
up from or what it was.
Councillor Birnie asked if the sickness figures were an
improvement on the previous year.
C Thorpe said there was a month on month improvement and also an
improvement on last year.
Councillor Birnie asked if the 360 degree cameras were just to
monitor abuse or to detect cyclists too.
C Thorpe said the refuse vehicles are now more complex and the
cameras were mainly to fight insurance claims and prevent abuse
towards staff from members of the public which unfortunately, is
quite common.
Councillor Timmis asked about grass cutting on the A5 and was
concerned that no one seemed to be taking responsibility. It is
becoming a problem because the litter cannot be cleared because of
the long grass and hedges.
C Thorpe said the road had been detrunked but is trying to get to the bottom of
what it actually means and involves. Legal advice is being sought
as it does not seem right that responsibility is passed to the
local authority without any additional resources.
Councillor Timmis said the detrunking
of the road means lorries can no longer
use the road as a new route and junction has been added on the M1.
It can’t just be left without anyone taking responsibility
and she said she would be grateful if that could be resolved. In
relation to fly tipping, Councillor Timmis suggested it would be
cheaper to provide free tipping for building contractors instead of
having to keep clearing the rubbish that is fly tipped.
C Thorpe said there are outlets for companies to dispose of their
commercial waste provided by Herts County Council but they do
charge.
Councillor Timmis said this was counterproductive as it is small
business that need these services not
large commercial companies.
C Thorpe said this was covered by Herts County Council not Dacorum
Borough Council but there is an on-going project to investigate the
reasons for fly tipping.
Councillor Timmis said it would be encouraging to hear the results
from the project as this is a national problem.
Councillor Marshall said that fly tipping was on the work
programme for the November meeting so a lot of these points will be
covered then. It is important to consider that there are costs
associated with disposing of fly tipped waste and also to find out
what waste it is.
Councillor Howard asked C Thorpe to look at the points raised by
members.
Councillor Fisher asked how dependant the department was on agency staff as 70 inductions seems like a large number and how many days do these staff work.
C Thorpe said they are fairly reliant on agency staff to cover sickness and annual leave. The department carries out inductions for a pool of agency staff to ensure they are trained so they have a good idea of what the work involves when they are needed. There are lots of agency staff trained because often, when the department requires agency staff, they are often posted elsewhere and are unavailable.
Councillor C Wyatt-Lowe asked why some of the risks on the operational risk register had incomplete signoffs.
D Austin said he would need to check as he was unsure why the system had picked up the wrong version.
Councillor G Sutton referred to residents leaving household waste being more common than fly tipping. The Council’s collection service should be publicised more widely. It costs just £75 for large household items and this could be an additional revenue stream.
Councillor Tindall echoed Councillor G Sutton’s comments and did not believe it was appropriate to offer a free service through ‘blackmail’. Councillor Tindall asked if the Proceeds of Crime Act (POCA) applied in cases of fly tipping and wondered if a brief survey could be undertaken to match the cost of enforcement against the income of fines as enhanced enforcement should pay for itself.
Councillor Hicks asked what CPC stood for.
C Thorpe said it was a Certificate of Professional Competence and is part of the continual training of LGV drivers.
Councillor Hicks asked what the opening times of the tips are.
C Thorpe said he did not know the definite times of all the tips but knows they close two days a week.
Councillor Hicks asked if a comparison could be done on the incidents of fly tipping compared to the opening times of the tips.
C Thorpe said fly tipping has increased since the opening hours have decreased.
Councillor Riddick said the council should be introducing deterrents. There was a situation in Kings Langley where a van stopped and dumped a substantial amount of rubbish, it was stopped but the offenders ran off. Should the council be confiscating vehicles of offenders to send out a strong message to others?
D Austin said this is the danger with the quarterly reports as there is a time lag. He said a van had recently been crushed for fly tipping offences and this should be publicised next week. One vehicle is currently being investigated for seven fly tipping offences in the borough and a prosecution case is being put forward. POCA does apply in fly tipping cases and this can be used alongside the new powers to issue higher Fixed Penalty Notices – five have been issued so far at £500 each. Duncan Jones of the Herts Waste Partnership also chairs the Herts Fly Tipping Committee that involves the police, landowners and local authorities and it might be helpful to invite him along to the committee meeting when fly tipping is to be discussed.
Councillor Riddick said it would be useful to take photographs of vehicles being crushed and publicise them.
D Austin said it has been videoed and some local authorities have placed all the rubbish collected from fly tips in their town centres to highlight the issue.
Outcome
That the Strategic Planning and Environment Overview and Scrutiny Committee approve the report.
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